Persons Present
Derek Gilbert Secretary and Treasurer / Sale MFC
Roy Allam Achievement Scheme Co-ordinator / FCMFA
David Lloyd-Jones Area Delegate & PRO / CCMAA
Sue Reeves Education Co-ordinator / PMAG
Keith Barker Webmaster/Rochdale MAC
Gerry Ferer Timperley MF
Steve Ogden PMAG
Mike Eccles Southport MAC
John O'Donnell Timperley MF
Tom Anyon Fylde Coast MAC
Christine Stone West Midlands MFC
Andy Collins Shropshire MFC
Ivan Mottershaw Wirral RCFS
Ian Mansfield Sherrifhales PMC
Martin Watts Sherrifhales PMC
10 voting
The meeting commenced at 20. 10
Apologies for absence:
Chris Bromley FSMAE, Mike Colling FSMAE, Jim Radcliffe, Sid Lawton
In the absence of the Chairman, David Lloyd-Jones was asked to chair the meeting.
Correspondence
None
Minutes of the previous meeting
Corrections:
Page 4 SR wished it noted that she had not attended Tunstall due to lack of
support from the area.
Page 5 "JF" should have read "GF"
Page 6 reference to cost of banners should be "£50 each"
Minutes proposed by ME, seconded by KB, voting F: 10, A: 0, Ab: 0
Matters Arising
It was noted that the room had been booked for the next two meetings at a cost
of £10. It was suggested that the Secretary confirm with the Chairman
that bringing the AGM forward a week will not be a problem. The consensus of
the meeting was to approve the new venue being more modern, easy to find from
the motorway and on the ground floor with easier disabled access.
KB noted that the Councel Minutes were not entered on the web site on time and
it was agreed that the entry was not prominent or separately indexed(tabbed).
DLJ agreed to raise this at the next Council meeting and ask it be listed as
a separate item and not mixed in with general news.
Officer's Reports
None of the other officers had anything specific to report.
Council Agenda and Minutes
Full Council meeting Agenda 15th September 2007
The Delegate reviewed the Agenda in detail for the meeting.
Points for discussion were:
11c: J O'D asked why only a reference to Free Flight contest fees - why no other
disciplines being discussed.
12a: J O'D raised the issue of lack of detail in reporting ceiling height in
the record claims. The discussion continued to ask the delegate to comment on
the lack of a full list of records and categories being easily available.
12b: The proposed change in award certificates was discussed. The meeting voted
7 to retain the Gold Silver Bronze certificates and 2 for a change to First
Second Third. J O'D felt that it was more important that the names of the winners
should be on the certificates. GF noted that at most FF events the certificates
are sent out after the event so names could be typed in.
15c: GF noted that much of the Power Nats organising and management had been
down to Chris, who as always had done a splendid job, but do we have an alternate
who could step in at the last minute if the Co-ordinator was indisposed? Perhaps
the Council should consider this as well.
18: Funding for helpers created some discussion and whilst it was accepted if
helpers were needed then there was a good case for funding them. There was concern
that a blanket approval may be misused. The delegate was asked to consider a
"cap" on this expenditure after hearing the proposal discussions.
19: Roger Bedford Memorial Trophy was discussed and the meeting generally felt
it was a good thing to mark the passing of Roger in some way, but do we need
another trophy and what will it be awarded for?
No other specific voting instructions were given to the delegate.
Areas Council Meeting 9 June 2007
The delegate gave a full report on the meeting. The full minutes are available
on the BMFA web site.
Of particular interest to the meeting :
Mike Colling had produced another excellent kit for schools etc. called the
"Pussycat"
Examiner meetings were discussed. Some areas were for them and others not!
AS Coordinators were asked to ensure their ACEs understood that they needed
permission to work outside their area.
It was now considered that a probationary period for ACEs was no longer necessary.
Area Fly-in and competitions
DLJ reported that the Eddie Riding competition went well. Very lucky with the
weather again and pleased that there were 13 entries for the new class. GF enquired
about publicity and was informed that there are at least two articles to appear
in the magazines. DLJ described the site difficulties this year with the tent
arriving Saturday rather than erected Friday afternoon. He would like the area
to rent their own tent, but believed the cost was about £600 and there
would be no guarantee we would not have the same trouble. J O'D asked if we
could have the Eddie Riding report on the web site or in the meeting agenda.
This is included later in this report.
Shawbury went very well with good attendance.
KB confirmed the indoor meetings are set to commence on 21 October.
Longdon Flying Club
The request to transfer to the Midlands area was discussed at length.
It was noted that many clubs in the area are a considerable distances from Wigan
not only in the south but North and West as well. Whilst some could appreciate
the distance Longdon has to travel, as the club has not given the area detailed
reasons for changing it was felt at this time the meeting could not sanction
the change requested.
KB noted that if we had a limit of say 50 miles for clubs to travel to area
meetings then we would need to more than double the number of areas which would
be impractical. IM felt that there were many clubs in the south of the area
who would attend meetings if the travelling was reduced. It was suggested that
if this was so, perhaps he should speak to these clubs with a view to asking
Council to consider a West Midlands area if sufficient number of clubs agreed.
Examiners' Meeting
This topic was carried forward to the next meeting.
Future of the Flight Challenge
J O'D still held the view that the event was "Time expired". It was
noted there was a good entry from schools but were these all local to the event?
SR stated that she has asked for details, but none received as yet.. Many at
the meeting had the view that preliminary postal rounds would be successful
and success there may encourage more to travel to the "Final" venue.
SR suggested it be carried forward to the next meeting when MC should be present
and his views may be helpful.
Any Other Business
J O'D raised the recording of records on the proposed new database. The Delegate
agreed to raise this at Council
The meeting closed at 22.40
These minutes are provisional until approved at the next meeting